# Fireside Chat Vitalik Buterin, Ethereum Foundation, & Kartik Talwar, ETHGlobal I Pragma London 2024

- Speakers: [Vitalik Buterin](https://streameth.org/speakers/vitalik-buterin), [Kartik Talwar](https://streameth.org/speakers/kartik-talwar)
- Channel: [ETHGlobal](https://streameth.org/ethglobal)
- Date: 2024-10-09
- Duration: 43:09
- Topics: Vitalik Buterin, Ethereum roadmap, EIP-4844, rollup scaling, Proto-Danksharding, Verkle trees, Ethereum Merge, Ethereum Purge, Ethereum Surge, Ethereum Verge, The Splurge, The Scourge, ZK proofs, Ethereum L2, Ethereum 2.0, decentralization, validiums, data availability, Celestia, Eigenlayer, crypto future, blockchain applications, proof of solvency, zkSNARKs, Ethereum history, crypto funding, cypherpunk, Ethereum scaling, smart contracts, privacy tech
- Watch: https://streameth.org/watch/yt-5GvoJhwhv8E
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GvoJhwhv8E

## Description

Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin sits down with Kartik Talwar at Pragma London 2024 for an in-depth fireside chat on Ethereum’s roadmap, rollup scaling, zero-knowledge proofs, decentralization, and the vision for Ethereum 2.0. From Proto-Danksharding and EIP-4844 to the Merge, Verge, Purge, and beyond, Vitalik shares updates on Ethereum’s transition to a more scalable, secure, and censorship-resistant protocol.

He also reflects on the past 10 years of Ethereum’s evolution, how application developers can adopt “Ethereum 2.0” thinking, and how Ethereum can power the next wave of user-owned internet and privacy-first applications. Whether you’re a builder, protocol researcher, or ETH enthusiast, this is a masterclass in where Ethereum is headed.

00:00 Intro and welcoming Vitalik
00:55 Ethereum scaling update: Blobs and EIP-4844
02:06 From basic to full rollup scaling
03:49 Future-proofing upgrades: Modulus and Starks
05:27 The roadmap: Surge, Verge, Purge, Splurge
06:34 The Verge: Verkle trees and node efficiency
08:57 The Purge: Simplifying Ethereum’s protocol
10:04 Why self-destruct is being deprecated
11:12 Protocol cleanup: From warm/cold storage to EIPs
12:15 The Splurge and key improvements like EOF
12:45 The Scourge: Tackling centralization risks
13:52 Shifting Ethereum from tech-first to real-world impact
15:00 Ethereum’s biggest upgrades are behind us
16:03 New tools: ZK proofs and developer accessibility
17:36 Building apps with Ethereum 2.0 in mind
18:20 Ethereum 1.0 vs 2.0 mindset comparison
20:15 Call to legacy protocols: upgrade to 2.0 design
21:23 Ethereum vs external DA layers (Celestia, Eigenlayer)
23:02 Validiums as real-world blockchain sidecars
25:24 Validiums for exchanges: Proof of solvency
27:52 Bridging centralized & decentralized mindsets
29:24 Reflections on 10 years in crypto
32:02 ICOs and the power of global participation
33:31 Critique of VC-centric funding models
34:35 Reclaiming the spirit of fair and open ecosystems
35:36 Reddit’s IPO and crypto’s cultural impact
36:48 What’s next for Vitalik in the ecosystem
38:41 Vitalik’s role: research, prototyping, ethics
40:32 Making Ethereum "cypherpunk" again
41:41 The full Ethereum ecosystem vision
42:41 Final thoughts: decentralization as a stack

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🇬🇧 *Pragma London*
Pragma London took place at Christchurch Spitalfields in London on March 14, 2024, and was an in-person summit for builders and leaders in the web3 ecosystem. Watch the full Pragma London playlist here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXzKMXK2aHh7rvaHBM14peT1TwI3QX38p&si=MzGrEYwYjxSQFiFM

ETHGlobal's Pragma series takes place in cities around the world, and is designed to be a different kind of event. Pragma is a one-stage conference with founders-only on stage, bringing together a small group of curated attendees and speakers to discuss the future of web3 and reflect on the past. Ever since we first introduced our new event series Pragma in Tokyo of the spring of 2023, we have been fostering a curated, global community of individuals who deeply care about web3.

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