# Fireside chat with Sandy Peng, Scroll, and Kartik Talwar, ETHGlobal I Pragma Singapore 2024

- Speakers: [Kartik Talwar](https://streameth.org/speakers/kartik-talwar), [Sandy Peng](https://streameth.org/speakers/sandy-peng)
- Channel: [ETHGlobal](https://streameth.org/ethglobal)
- Date: 2025-10-09
- Duration: 24:38
- Topics: Scroll, zkEVM, Layer 2, Ethereum L2, Scroll Sessions, Sandy Peng, ETHGlobal, Pragma Singapore, ZK Rollups, optimistic rollups, L2 proving time, fast finality, blockchain incentives, DeFi incentives, multi-chain UX, RWA, real world assets, on-chain credit card, ZK infrastructure, Scroll upgrades, Ethereum scaling, chain interoperability, L2 branding, web3 infrastructure, Scroll vs other L2s, crypto incentives, zkVM, L2 ecosystem growth
- Watch: https://streameth.org/watch/yt-PGXFYs9YGdk
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGXFYs9YGdk

## Description

In this engaging fireside chat at Pragma Singapore 2024, Sandy Peng, co-founder of Scroll, joins Kartik Talwar from ETHGlobal to dive deep into the past, present, and future of Scroll and the broader Ethereum Layer 2 (L2) ecosystem. With Scroll’s first year post-mainnet launch, Sandy reflects on critical learnings, protocol upgrades, ecosystem growth, and what sets Scroll apart in a competitive rollup landscape.

From zkEVM advancements, faster proving times, and the role of brand moat in L2 dominance, to Scroll Sessions, user incentive models, and the future of on-chain identity and RWA integrations—this chat is packed with insights for anyone building or investing in Web3 infrastructure.

00:00 Intro: Sandy Peng & Scroll at 1-Year Mainnet
00:43 What Went Well & What Didn’t After Launch
03:06 What Scroll Would Do Differently Post-Launch
04:47 Scroll’s Edge: Fast Finality and L2 Interop
06:24 Understanding Finality vs Proving Time
07:33 Designing Scroll Sessions Incentive Programs
09:12 Incentives as Liquidity GPS for Ecosystem
10:25 Scroll’s Learnings on Capital & User Behavior
11:36 ETHery Credit Card Campaign & On-Chain UX
13:19 Reaching Beyond DeFi: RWA & TradFi Onboarding
14:29 African USDT Arbitrage as On-Chain Yield
15:33 Popular Apps & Tech Trends on Scroll
16:46 ZK Builders vs Biz Growth: Finding the Balance
17:54 Scroll Protocol Upgrades & Mathematician Naming
19:49 Thoughts on New zkVMs and Future L2 Design
21:30 How Scroll Competes in the Evolving L2 Race
22:34 Why Brand Is the Lasting Moat for L2s
23:45 Scroll as a Brand: Nike vs Adidas Analogy
24:18 Closing Remarks & Scroll’s Future Vision

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🇸🇬 *Pragma Singapore*
Pragma Singapore 2024 was a special gathering of founders and builders that took place September 19, 2024 at the Fullerton Hotel in Singapore.  Pragma Singapore 2024 was an opportunity discuss the future of web3 and reflect on the past. Watch the full Pragma Singapore playlist here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXzKMXK2aHh6z0saYJnVdgXWfz-vaoEYx&si=uavhkhF5Kc8XBoLv

ETHGlobal's Pragma series takes place in cities around the world, and is designed to be a different kind of event. Pragma is a one-stage conference with founders-only on stage, bringing together a small group of curated attendees and speakers to discuss the future of web3 and reflect on the past. 

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