# Dieter Shirley I Rethinking infrastructure to Onboard Millions to Web3 | Pragma Waterloo

- Channel: [ETHGlobal](https://streameth.org/ethglobal)
- Date: 2023-10-09
- Duration: 54:25
- Topics: Dieter Shirley, Dapper Labs, Flow blockchain, CryptoKitties, ERC-721, Web3 infrastructure, account abstraction, NFT evolution, dynamic NFTs, Cadence smart contracts, Web3 onboarding, decentralized apps, consumer crypto, hybrid custody, smart contract security, resource-oriented programming, LayerZero, bridging blockchains, IPFS storage, MEV resistance, on-chain gaming, blockchain scaling, composable NFTs, Pragma Waterloo, Kartik Talwar, blockchain education
- Watch: https://streameth.org/watch/yt-SyrTh9ltnWs
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyrTh9ltnWs

## Description

Join Dieter Shirley, CTO and co-founder of Dapper Labs and co-author of ERC-721, in this fireside chat with Kartik Talwar at Pragma Waterloo. Dive deep into how Web3 infrastructure must evolve to onboard millions of users.

From the lessons of CryptoKitties and the creation of Flow blockchain, to rethinking smart contract design with the Cadence programming language, Dieter shares insights on scalability, account abstraction, social consensus, NFT evolution, dynamic assets, and cross-chain interoperability. Whether you’re a developer, product builder, or crypto enthusiast, this session is packed with actionable ideas and reflections on the future of blockchain usability and consumer-grade onboarding.

00:00 Intro to Web3 infrastructure and Dieter Shirley
01:04 CryptoKitties and the origins of Dapper Labs
03:15 How putting cats on the blockchain became real
04:50 Crypto onboarding hurdles and early scalability
05:56 CryptoKitties impact on Ethereum and beyond
07:32 Designing Flow to solve user and dev pain points
08:39 Built-in scaling via separation of concerns
10:11 Why account abstraction is critical for Web3
11:15 Moving beyond seed phrases with key management
12:21 Building Cadence: a new smart contract language
14:24 How resource-oriented programming changes security
15:55 Ethereum token ownership vs Flow model explained
17:25 From CryptoKitties to NBA Top Shot to Flow
19:10 Lessons from custodial wallets and Dapper
20:36 Account abstraction enabling hybrid custody
24:05 Gaming UX with account linking and shared custody
25:33 Multi-brand learnings: Top Shot, UFC, NFL All Day
26:37 Missed opportunities for dynamic NFTs and gameplay
28:01 Why mainstream users still need familiar metaphors
29:24 On-chain composable farming game demo
30:48 Open systems and NFT interoperability vision
32:21 Real-time games vs on-chain strategy experiences
33:50 Inspiration from Dark Forest and opcraft
35:18 Designing infrastructure for the next generation
36:18 Zones of sovereignty and social consensus
38:04 Liveness vs safety in blockchain failures
40:20 Bridges, eigenlayer, and shared consensus limits
42:03 Flow’s view on bridging and LayerZero architecture
44:01 Multi-bridge security models and message integrity
45:29 On-chain media storage: tradeoffs and new tooling
48:36 User-side pinning, IPFS enhancements, and ideas
49:10 What decentralization really means to Dieter
50:35 Backward and forward-looking guarantees
52:29 Why participation and censorship resistance matter
53:05 Critique of MEV culture and Flow’s design to prevent it
54:14 Closing thoughts and thank you to Dieter Shirley

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🇨🇦 *Pragma Waterloo*
The now third edition of Pragma kicked off with a curated series of high-quality talks that sparked thought and discussion among attendees as they were storming into the Auditorium of the CIGI Building.  Pragma Waterloo 2023 was an opportunity discuss the future of web3 and reflect on the past. Watch the full Pragma Waterloo 2023 playlist here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXzKMXK2aHh7i8oFx5vCB9qTdadQqAjF0&si=NS2W71SteTbEs4T8

ETHGlobal's Pragma series takes place in cities around the world, and is designed to be a different kind of event. Pragma is a one-stage conference with founders-only on stage, bringing together a small group of curated attendees and speakers to discuss the future of web3 and reflect on the past. 

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