# Fireside Chat with Dieter Shirley, Flow, and Kartik Talwar, ETHGlobal I Pragma San Francisco 2024

- Speakers: [Kartik Talwar](https://streameth.org/speakers/kartik-talwar)
- Channel: [ETHGlobal](https://streameth.org/ethglobal)
- Date: 2025-10-09
- Duration: 25:59
- Topics: Dieter Shirley, Flow blockchain, Crescendo upgrade, Cadence, EVM compatibility, blockchain scalability, smart contract programming, Ethereum virtual machine, cross-chain interoperability, blockchain developer tools, Flow Foundation, CryptoKitties, mainstream blockchain adoption, user experience design, blockchain decentralization, multi-chain infrastructure, smart contract language, Flow vs Ethereum, blockchain innovation, Pragma San Francisco
- Watch: https://streameth.org/watch/yt-bPVVARCstq0
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPVVARCstq0

## Description

Join Dieter Shirley, Chief Architect of Flow Foundation, and Kartik Talwar from ETHGlobal, in a deep dive into Flow's major Crescendo upgrade. Learn how Flow now supports EVM compatibility within Cadence, dramatically enhancing blockchain interoperability, developer flexibility, and user experiences.

Dieter shares insights from his extensive experience with CryptoKitties, smart contract scalability, and designing blockchains for mainstream adoption. Discover how Flow's architectural innovations offer unmatched speed, scalability, and decentralization.

00:00 Introduction: Dieter Shirley & Flow's Major Upgrade
00:41 Celebrating ETHGlobal's Impact & History
01:58 Exploring Trade-offs in Blockchain Development
02:25 Flow's Major Crescendo Network Upgrade
03:18 How Flow Built an Early Data Availability Layer
03:55 Flow's Improved Speed & Scalability Metrics
04:23 Cadence 1.0: The Next-gen Smart Contract Language
04:52 Introducing EVM Equivalence on Flow Blockchain
06:30 Why Flow Adopted EVM Despite Cadence Advantages
08:06 Technical Approach: Running EVM Inside Cadence
09:49 How Flow EVM Uses Efficient Native State Storage
10:27 Impact on Cross-chain Infrastructure Providers
10:57 New Opportunities for EVM-first Developers
11:27 Enhancing Solidity with Cadence Extensions
12:34 Advanced Features Exclusive to Cadence vs. Solidity
13:38 Example: Atomic Multi-call Transactions in Cadence
15:06 Benefits for Native Cadence Developers from EVM
16:38 How Flow Attracts Mainstream Crypto Adoption
17:40 Advice on Building Consumer-friendly Blockchain Apps
20:03 Balancing User Friction & Motivating Features
20:42 Flow EVM: Implications for Ethereum Ecosystem
22:23 The Superior Developer Experience of Cadence
22:56 Flow Foundation's Long-term Vision & North Star
24:35 Decentralization as Core Promise of Flow Blockchain
25:45 Conclusion: Building Sustainable Apps on Flow

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🇺🇸 *Pragma San Francisco*
Pragma San Francisco 2024 was a special gathering of founders and builders that took place October 16th and 17th at The Contemporary Jewish Museum in San Francisco, CA.  Pragma San Francisco 2024 was an opportunity discuss the future of web3 and reflect on the past. Watch the full Pragma San Francisco playlist here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXzKMXK2aHh4LcwDpGf_itZrAu7XRNb07&si=3x3y9J3avgNTITUe

ETHGlobal's Pragma series takes place in cities around the world, and is designed to be a different kind of event. Pragma is a one-stage conference with founders-only on stage, bringing together a small group of curated attendees and speakers to discuss the future of web3 and reflect on the past. 

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