# Fireside Chat with Robbie Ferguson, Immutable, and Kartik Talwar, ETHGlobal I Pragma Sydney 2024

- Speakers: [Kartik Talwar](https://streameth.org/speakers/kartik-talwar)
- Channel: [ETHGlobal](https://streameth.org/ethglobal)
- Date: 2024-10-09
- Duration: 24:40
- Topics: on-chain gaming, Web3 gaming, Immutable X, Robbie Ferguson, Pragma Sydney 2024, blockchain gaming, NFTs, digital ownership, Ethereum scaling, ZK-rollups, Polygon, smart contracts, in-game assets, secondary markets, liquidity, self-custody wallets, Immutable Passport, vertical integration, game studios, tokenomics, player economies, cross-chain, decentralized finance, startup scaling, crypto adoption, gaming trends, East vs. West, FarmVille moment, monetization, retention
- Watch: https://streameth.org/watch/yt-diqJrgct7sM
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diqJrgct7sM

## Description

Join Robbie Ferguson, co-founder of Immutable, in this fireside chat from Pragma Sydney 2024 as he dives into the future of on-chain gaming and blockchain’s role in revolutionizing digital ownership. Discover how Immutable grew from early Ethereum experiments to becoming the leading Web3 gaming platform, with insights into ZK-rollups, cross-chain liquidity, and the $150B in-game asset market.

Robbie shares lessons on scaling startups, vertical integration, and why NFTs and tokens are transforming player economies. A must-watch for gamers, developers, and crypto enthusiasts.

00:00 - Introduction to Immutable & On-Chain Gaming
00:46 - Immutable’s Vision: Web3 Gaming Adoption
01:17 - Robbie’s Crypto Journey: From Bitcoin to Ethereum
01:49 - Smart Contracts & Early Blockchain Gambling
02:25 - Aligning Incentives: New Models of Capitalism
02:53 - From Trading Bots to NFTs: Founding Immutable
03:26 - The $150B In-Game Asset Opportunity
04:00 - Digital Ownership vs. Traditional Gaming Models
04:27 - Building Etherbots & Ethereum’s Scaling Challenges
04:54 - Evolution of Game Studios: Web2 to Web3 Adoption
05:23 - East vs. West: Regional Web3 Gaming Trends
06:23 - The "FarmVille Moment" for Web3 Gaming
07:54 - Why Gamers Demand Ownership: Retention & Monetization
08:49 - Web3 Gaming’s Value Proposition: Liquidity & Utility
09:53 - Secondary Markets: CS:GO Skins to Fortnite Futures
10:55 - Acquisition, Retention & Monetization in Web3 Games
11:53 - Immutable Passport: Onboarding the Next Billion Gamers
13:17 - Self-Custody & Cross-Game Liquidity Innovations
14:51 - Vertical Integration: Why Immutable Built Its Own Wallet
15:18 - Partnering with Polygon: ZK-Rollups for Gaming
17:45 - App-Specific Chains vs. Multi-Rollup Future
19:12 - NFTs as an Asset Class: Liquidity & Financial Utility
21:10 - Lessons Scaling Immutable: Talent & Web2/Web3 Hybrids
22:34 - What’s Next: 61 Games Launching in 2024

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🇦🇺 *Pragma Sydney*
The Sydney edition of Pragma took place at The View by Sydney in May 2024 with a curated series of high-quality talks that sparked thought and discussion. Ever since we first introduced our new event series, Pragma, in Tokyo in the spring of 2023, we have been fostering a curated, global community of individuals who deeply care about web3. Watch the full Pragma Sydney playlist here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXzKMXK2aHh7rvaHBM14peT1TwI3QX38p&si=MzGrEYwYjxSQFiFM

ETHGlobal's Pragma series takes place in cities around the world, and is designed to be a different kind of event. Pragma is a one-stage conference with founders-only on stage, bringing together a small group of curated attendees and speakers to discuss the future of web3 and reflect on the past. 

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Warpcast: https://warpcast.com/kartik

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