Cultivating Culture in Web3: Preserving the Essence as We Evolve | Devcon SEA

oh yeah oh there's two more yeah okay all right we have two more guests also um thank you all for joining the culture conversation in classroom e um I'm glad we managed to um rearrange the space a little bit so that we do feel a little bit more um culture Vibes um I want to um for me it was really really important to have this conversation um and I kind of pinged a and Skyler what a month ago and said I think this is an important conversation for us to have um thankfully I agreed um and was like yes let's have that conversation in the meantime because it's very very important to have as many perspectives on it um as possible and looking at the culture piece from different angles um we are also joined by S and Kim and we're going to look at kind of different um elements of culture how the culture of ethereum is evolving with newcomers how it's evolving throughout the years and so on but I want to do a quick intro um everybody will just intro themselves I'm Simona I've been in this EOS System since the end of 2017 I have gone through um many many waves of newcomers and waves of energy levels and waves of um being able to kind of continue and be motivated to be in this space because and one of the main main reasons is because I feel deeply deeply aligned with the values of this ecosystem and for me coming into to this space has been and I always make this analogy like that really really deep breath after for holding your breath for a long time and it feels very very good when you do that and if you think of that moment we would take like a really deep breath that's what it felt like for me coming into the space and it continues to be that for me um but I will let my other panelists introduce themselves ya do you want to go yeah um I think it's working it's working it's working okay uh hello everyone um I'm Aya miuchi from the foundation um so this was more spontaneous um program that we we try not to discuss too much in advance so that we can include other people in the though we can create the uh the vibe that we're including other people to the conversation so just having a conversation and I appreciate Simona suggesting um one of the thing that I recognized this time of Devon is there seem to be uh more people have this desire to to talk about this he like I I'm always um uh swamped with so many different things and I often like have to react to the different things but this the hearing the desire of having a conversation about culture is um not necessarily always a good thing it's like but well because people feel like something is wrong or this something important is lacking or something we're losing something or so that I I what I'm doing try trying to do here is really trying to listen mostly um and then yeah if if I have anything that I can share from my perspective I'm happy to so that was that that's my intention here but thanks for having me uh hi everyone my name is SII I've been in this space for last 12 years uh I first started before ethereum time there is no ethereum so I had to use a Bitcoin uh uh building Bitcoin SMS wallet so people who doesn't have internet can send receive Bitcoin or money on the text message and then later I built the did system in Korea and after building um all this product looking back to the ecosystem wow there's so many other great Builder I don't probably need to build anymore and I started looking what is needed in the ecosystem and was actually the human layer that's not there so I start like d and my background is a social work I love human I love helping people I love creating public goods so uh I went back looking at the ecosystem what's missing and how can I start it and then of found outs and Community governance organizing in so many different way but right now I am I think experimenting let's put it that way because our ecosystem is still very very young uh what is actually working and where is the pain point of uh building community and then Building stories building narrative and cohesive narrative and that all related to culture I think that's why I'm invited today uh I'm happy to discuss furthermore uh and happy to be here hi my name is Kim I work with funding the commons and I've been um exposed to web 3 for about nine months anyone else newer than me in the room so this doesn't usually happen I feel like I've been really really new so hi welcome you're in it with me um and I was very excited to participate to this conversation and to be invited and that is also a testament to this culture there are very few industries that would put a newcomer on stage uh to hear what they have to think about their experience on boarding um and how Industries on board is also a big part of their um success or failure so it's just been uh really uh significant for me to be invited into this conversation and I'm happy to contribute with beginners mind um my background is in Communications um and I've spent the past decade have helping uh Brands institutions and personalities to express their culture and to make culture um I'm now working with funding the commons uh on the public goods side and uh it's been interesting because it is uh a bit of a Gateway for people who haven't yet experienced um what we do and so I'm hoping to build more uh of those bridges awesome thank you okay so what do we feel um in what ways do we feel the culture of ethereum has contributed to its success and what's unique about it if you have like a thing that's very very unique whomever wants to take that may maybe I can it might be okay this is conversation by the way guys it's is not a panel we that way and this is very intimate space so I was going to be very open uh and vulnerable most of all for me ethereum has been just no longer technology and it has become a lifestyle and uh when I say lifestyle you don't actually design your lifestyle around technology I mean it could be these days but it's it's more like a value it's more like a philosophy it's more about the people so it all come down to a people that you met at the ethereum ecosystem that has actually significantly contributed to the ecosystem cuz uh the ecosystem is again it's not just like a uh code is bringing people uh it has so many different value that is creating uh uh the momentum of for people to be uh how can I say align with that brand or that the image of eum so when you are when you say like okay I'm part of e community that there is a sense of like a proudness uh integrity and also I'm not compromising because I know there is not just me but a bunch of army of Community member building something that is pretty much align and here to create some long positive impact for Humanity so that's what um I think ethereum's value is really hard to put it in words but there's a feeling the energy that has created and that's what our Builders to be here the new people come they're like oh this feels very different and uh yesterday like the one of the MC guy I post on the Twitter I've been seeing so many different conferences but etherium deathcon in like huge stage people maintain quiet and they wait and they're not making noise so they're very genuine sincere and really integral people here in this community uh I mean being quiet is a one example but you you all feel that's why I think etherum is very very different and the reason why is also different is this is not a company you know this is a community so it's really hard to put again the cures there's no like this is Code of Conduct if you don't do this you kicked out you know it's like there's so many different analogy that I use for like a nature analogy of a infinite Garden you cannot kick out like butterfly coming in yeah it's not like a house that is closed off it's always open so more work clearly more work but because of that openness is I think people just stay calm keep building and not feeling like I have to meet somewhere but like I'm doing because I am in this soil so that's the power uh of ethereum in my opinion yeah um I will give you maybe my personal story um before eum uh I I also joined the industry officially around 2013 um and this that was before eum time um and then I was at a a a business and won't name where but one of the uh one of the biggest exchanges um and I was about to quit the space um the reason why is that um oh well my from the very beginning I think my my everything is is well con Ed what I do in my life is um from the very beginning my interest was really whether this Tech can help um create better humanity and um if if anything I do is part of making just rich people richer and um so I was ready to quit and um and I went to my first Devon experience was Devon 2 in Shanghai um and I think the one Deon two was actually a bit different vibe right uh for people you who went there could understand but still there was this part of this this event that didn't look like event and then this nerdiness and then like were pretty disorganized even Decon 3 was pretty disorganized but I liked it I like the vibe oh this is something I've never seen in this book blockchain or crypto back then like a lot of Bitcoin event happening so it was very different um and the reason why I decided to help when they asked me to help EF was really that that I saw the soul there um and I always say this if I if if I see this is not going toward the direction that I was hoping and then I'm always ready to quit cuz that's the like e is that that the you know one one method to get to the the world that I want to see um and that but that is very important and so that's why I I'm glad that you guys are able to see see that through Devcon because Devcon is it's not a an event for me it's it's an experience we're trying to provide an experience and how do we so every single decision hopefully uh people are feeling it um little piece of like how design of this logo and everything that we discuss uh the team discuss like I'm not involved in everything but yeah this the design is very important so I think in terms of the importance of the culture culture to me is base of everything and um so that how do we when when a new CER comes to this experience and Deon is just one one one method uh I use the term Monastery if acting as a monastery like thaton can be one Monastery you come here and then you learn uh you you are not just learning the technology because you can learn the technology uh well how to quote online right but being together in person what are you getting and then that's the that's the piece of Sal that I we want everyone to experience and that's why if culture is not here with Devon there's no point of doing this yeah so that's that's I think it's how much culture is important I love that Kim um some things are coming up for me when you asked the question about this IDE of success right you asked um what in the values um ethereum have contributed to success and I'd love to um also ask you a question actually because we were speaking earlier about individual uh metrics of success and individual flourishing um and I'd love to talk about that a little bit as a like what does success look like and how have you been thinking about this so um just looping into um what both I and son said and with with my own thoughts on this I I genuinely feel and continuing from that metaphor of that deep breath that you feel and I'm I'm sure a lot of us feel that it is that freedom that you immediately feel as an individual the freedom to be exposed to so many possibilities that I think the world as it is and it has been for Generations has felt very very constricted and constrictive and to your point it this isn't a company it is a space it's a feeling it's a soul it when you were saying about Soul it reminded me of that movie called 21 Gs does anybody know that and it's like when the soul leaves the body it's lighter by 21 gram and going into it from that Soul perspective it's there's that resonance that happens and I think for me the measure of success there is do I feel I'm in a space where I can really really live up to my true potential in terms of creativity in terms of where can I put my energy that is far greater than achieving a quota achieving whatever Revenue achieving whatever client that's a bilon dollar whatever whatever right it's they're not small things that we're talking about here and really I think it's that kind of resonance that happens when you feel you are also in the presence of other people feeling the same thing I think that's what amplifies right it's almost like a room with really good Acoustics and you're like you have a desire to to do more you have higher goals and ideas deals and for self-actualization and for having a purpose and then you join others who are the same and they don't even have to say it you just feel it and I think that for me is what has been so successful about if you're in particular for me I mean this is the space that i' I've spent most of um my time in but that's what it is for me I love what you said about um being able to reach your full potential I think a lot of it is um the amount of creativity you can access when you are in a space that makes you feel like you can activate as many parts of yourself as possible is pretty magical and that's been my experience so far of finding a lot of openness to being able to contribute to connect people in ways they hadn't been connected before um and feeling also a bit like a a tourist you know when you visit a a new country and uh then you meet a few locals and you begin to say oh I like it here oh I like this I like that um it's not like I was told what it would be like I had no idea but little by little I was like I could move here I could live here and that's been the the feeling of of my onboarding because nothing is spelled out that's one of the difficulties also um and um there are some things that are Universal um that is true and there are some things that make me feel like I was also visiting a country that has all of these different Landscapes and I was like oh there's the mountain side there's the rivers side there's this side's really hot this side's really chill this side uh activates me so um also trying to understand the the landscape and its complexity and then what makes everyone the same and I'm finding it's actually quite a a solid list of values that um are keeping things together you talked earlier about um how much the space has evolved from your perspective um and I'd love to go back to that a little bit because I can't talk to to that piece and I'd love also to hear a little bit from you about what makes um people uh similar in in their values what are those Universal values have they ever been made explicit this openness to the point where some of us could feel a little bit uncomfortable right but it's like if you didn't grow up with that very open culture but still like like I pushed you to be very open and vulnerable um like also us sitting on the same ground feeling you know there's no like a big boss I mean you hope like there some is foundation people here I hope like I I don't I don't like I don't I never enjoy being the boss type and then I'm not trying to be the boss but uh just trying to be a leader instead but um so yeah definitely like we it's it has to be we often say this in in technology the centralization open source and open participation permissionless right right um and then those we see that in in people too it's it's and so that's why we can proudly say we mean it when we say the centralization we we mean it right when we see uh this most Global Deon this this time like um 100 people from 145 countries are here yeah so that is um um definitely the important even having this cultural conversation uh spontaneously it's it's a so there's no like EF deciding everything like um there are a lot of Grassroots opinions and um um requests or cleansing mechanism like see we it's like we like nature so eum does make mistakes cult too I think that's like it's my my my personal view so don't take it as as official EF view please but you know but but but then there's always learning and then after that it gets stronger and we we've we've seen it and I think that's very powerful yeah if I can add a little bit echoing all what you guys Shar I think when I mentioned earlier like a lifestyle is like really the life design right and the universal value the old human has is actually the freedom and hope and happiness they want to be healthy and happy eventually if they can I think that's what the universal value is and in a history of hum uh there are a lot of you know happiness has been always a topic and you know like everybody talks about happiness but happiness does doesn't just come with the feeling of Happiness there is a yes content uh but physically you want to be healthy mentally you want to be healthy emotionally you want to be healthy but financially you want to be healthy as well and I think what ethereum is is actually make us to do and actually giving us the capacity to do is not just talking about this invisible value but also very much a tangible value and at least the opportunity for us to play with those practicality as well as value cuz in the normal society if you want to go for your happiness you have to compromise it you know you like okay if you do this I get all good things about the world and humanity and you poor that's like a common common like um ior and you never be rich by doing good right and so a lot of people like oh you know what you you're doing good thing but you're poor and you not poor but like you don't have enough resources we always have to go fetch resources and we always have to fight and play in the very limited resource place and what ethereum does and what programmable money what smart contract does is actually giving us opportunity to design incentive and then design contribution and then measure that in a human way I know we are not there yet I'm not saying if you're new to we are not there so don't expect okay you know what let me go find those tools it's not there that's why we are having this conversation plus uh so if we get there we if we having more conversation like this what our community member and Humanity actually wants is happiness and healthy and greater life with a freedom and technology has to be part of it is inevitable and if we have to choose one technology or two technology that align with our Humanity value and our human value that actually lead us to where we want to be I think ethereum is what it is now and I'm also saying um maybe on poopular opinion ethereum is the only solution it might be something else but right now there is no other solution than ethereum so that's why I am personally here and once we keep bringing this human layer conversation cultural conversation really communicating the de real value that the universal value that we can align with other humans that is outside of crypto then people will start to get it but if we talk about like technology too much and smart contract and coding it doesn't actually get their heart when they we don't get their heart people not changing it's only remain here and it's going to borate it right so the universal value I really value that question so we we should keep talk about freedom but not just like let's let us free not like fighting but like how can we create a real Freedom including all other Freedom physical emotional mental but Financial and also resource and there is so many different layer that we can all redefine what resource mean it's not just a money but like time energy relationship and like so many different thing I think ethereum technology could make us get there so that's why I think the relevance the with the universal value of human and ethereum comes together uh and still again saying a lot work to be done but that's what it is for me you know what's super interesting as um we've been chatting and actually it's the permissionless or like that element of it that is probably the piece that is the most interesting because in a way there's two sides to this in a way everywhere else like if you're in the real world or like in the traditional world if you want to do something or to create something you almost feel like you have to ask permission to do something whether you're in a corporation you have to get something approved and have to get the budget to do it so on and so forth there's no there's not that agency of like I don't need permission I can just go and do something and I think the speed of execution and that's why it's so exciting for a lot of people the speed of execution from idea to something existing is very very fast and at the same time we've also as humans have for Generations being taught to ask for permission no you have no agency no you have to do things like this and you have to do it like this otherwise you don't get money otherwise you don't get status otherwise you don't get this this this so always ask for permission know your place and I think for a lot of us coming in and for a lot of people coming into this ecosystem it's almost un unlearning of that asking for permission and not believing that you have the power to do things and I think that's a really interesting thing again because we're talking new generations of newcomers coming in and so on because it's permissionless so you can come in do whatever uh Etc but it's that ability to unlearn the asking for permission and what does that unlock for you like what are you going to do at the same time though this leads me to uh the conversation about New Waves of people coming in and new Adoption and so on how do we integrate these New Perspectives and new values and sometimes extractive behaviors into these very pure and wonderful and energizing values that we have CU When We Were 500 people or a thousand people it was like hell of a lot easier how do we integrate those into this evolving kind of culture piece this is my this is genuinely one of the reasons why I was like I want to have conversation thoughts um you know the word uh the the the line infinite Garden this um actually my motivation was the same um in 2020 end of 2020 I think uh when I first uh it's not even introduced it's more like I wrote this you know I I write email to everyone at the eum foundation end of the year um and then that year it was during covid and I had more time to you know pause and reflect reflect and then I felt the like e was I mean we felt many times the was growing growing growing but that year I felt maybe because I had more time to reflect I felt that okay it is actually growing quickly right um not not with the hype that year I felt like like it was actually going um and then in intuitively I thought that um the need of something whatever something to to for us to review but also um like maybe for myself when what is that what is that about etherum um that that draws me or that drives this this this technology to to the next to to the better Humanity and then and then the reason why I decided to you know like I introduced that the infinite games is like uh from the finite infinite games idea is that it was if infinite players and infinite games was was something that I thought I felt special about eum a a group of people um like you said originally it was it was a lot smaller right but everyone seemed to be really um building something together for the purpose of like doing this together not really for one of them to win and that was very special that was very special even back then when it was born um so yeah this this not about someone winning but we are doing this to together right it's and that's why we call it Community not a company is that was that was my motivation and it kind of evolved into like other people just started to discuss about this um and then we we I needed it needed that and but it's not something I invented it SM like it was there in eum and I just wanted to remind everyone yeah so you asked also about um the kinds of things that could be put into into place it's been interesting for me the entry point was through funding the commons which is um focusing the conversation on how do you support um builders in the ecosystem and we have you know different formats so you have conferences that feel very open and there're more technical formats like residencies or hackathon and within the process of discovering how the programming was curated I began to realize that um there were some themes or verticals that um were an easier access point and so it's been fun to meet people who are these Bridges whether they're working on um climate projects or um real world use cases you know to figure out how um to play with the mechanisms in certain parts of the world where they're most relevant most urgently needed needed and um when they talked to me about their projects it was all in plain language and that was really reassuring to enter the space and to say what do you do oh these people who today cannot use money are able to pay each other like okay I get that um it required very little explanation and it was all very powerful and so I'm wondering if perhaps part of this equation is also how do we allow people to enter through some of these um illustrative stories and we've talked a lot um in a few different uh settings this week at least the sessions I was attending about storytelling and needing to be able to support those doing great work in in telling the stories in plain terms and then also finding the organizations that we can partner with that straddle different worlds and that can do that work for us so um the humanitarian sector for instance is in dire need of reinvention we can help um and so who are the individuals who behave in a more permissionless ways in there and how do we onboard them um because there are those personalities also outside I used to always get in trouble in the corporate world for not asking for permission I was always asking for forgiveness which they say it works it doesn't um and um it made things difficult sometimes for me working with a lot of cross functional teams and and all of a sudden I'm in a space where that's not a problem anymore and maybe that's the breath you were talking about maybe following that to be frank if you're new to ethereum new to any of the crypto especially in ethereum space it's really hard to navigate as a newcomer especially you are not attached to the organizations or some sort of mission or initiative you just learn about ethereum and then genuinely interested it and like oh okay I want to need somebody I want to navigate this space I want to contribute more and it's not like people actually go to uh ether Foundation website and read although there is a lot of information for ethereum is is it's really hard to navigate and a lot of people who also building individually and contributing to the ethereum uh as a builder they don't actually have a community around them yeah we we just was hanging out with the African Builder just this morning and I know some of them they've been building for like 5 years and they never been to conference before they only have a four people online friend that they talk and that they just keep contributing and that they're amazing right and and then these people like they never actually physically experienced ethereum in person there's a many reason why they couldn't and then this time they actually made a lot of effort to be here even at Devcon uh but there is so many people who are not here and the the Ean Community is not just 12,000 people right there's a huge much more and um so when people come into the crypto as much as we want people to join and understand ethereum it's really hard to navigate because there's not enough instruction it's not a bad thing but that's a nature when you when you go to the forest when you go to the wild forest there's a no sign whatsoever you just navigate yourself but when they when they go to for example like other um token like Solana for example it's a company so it's a very direct like okay you got this you got this you this we have a team we have a head of country everywhere so they doing their thing right so they doing their job on boarding people everything like so streamline so people feel like oh this is like a way easier better on boting than ethereum but they are they don't even know they're compromising what they're compromising because they don't know about the history of ethereum so that's why the storytelling point is really extremely important telling what ethereum is and then what the history is and the story form then they actually get to their heart space and because of that ethereum space is as much as it's open but it's also not for everybody right now because not everybody can align with that so they have to actually be that special human that is autonomous that has a capacity to actually face the conflict and people who are good at communication and have a mission and have a positive energy and hope around around and those people are not many I mean they hopefully many so it comes down to and especially in Asia recently we started this community called Pagoda and the how we started is very beautiful and it the everybody who was there invited to the Gathering first and they didn't know what is the outcome of that they just trusted the relationship that they showed up only Asian 50 people from 14 different country actually preparing that con early this year and we share what the dreaming Asia look like with ethereum not for ethereum but with ethereum share everybody share their Vision we capture every words of it and we create the value system and what we want to do together and then I think the there is a way that you can uh really create the infinite Garden Way of like a Rew Wilding way of creating Community not to down uh and I think it's possible I'm happy to share the Playbook of it but anyway at the end what come out is actually what's really important for us is not about technology it's about a we being better person and ethereum is a community helping us to be better person as other peoples are there who are like-minded so we come up with a concept of a protocol of being so which is like a practice of either meditation a writing whatever you want to do but like how can we be better person who is equipped to serve decentralized ecosystem and serve a value of ethereum like Integrity of it for example Integrity long-term view stewardship this is something that we don't we didn't learn from school so you have to learn but not alone but in the community so that's what ethereum has so that's how you can actually inviting people by uh really um identifying those people who are ready first and then show them it's it's almost like a I don't want to say this but it's almost like a the church message you know when you go to the church people say you you should you leave the you leave by example you leave by example otherwise people you say something it's very valuable but you act like and then people would not go to whatever Community you're in so it actually the personal transformation and I take ethereum as a really a training course and the training Community for better human that makes sense but see here's the thing though the the what you created with pagota was and this is coming back to how do we have this almost like initiation into the culture you need the spaces to exist because a lot of people may come across things not at an event not surrounded by people who are you know valuable aligned etc etc and there is to Kim's point there are these entry points that are definitely a lot more conducive to alignment and that kind of like deep breath that you are with the people who are you know aligned in terms of values with you whereas if you read some stories in the press or have some sort of friend who got rugged or have some sort of random mem coin situation you might not get to the space where you're able to actually tap into this beautiful substance and so I think here's the challenge or what do we need to do to ensure that these spaces are open or opening up for people to be able to tap in the right path or have that initiation so that they don't get disillusioned and go oh my God yeah no this is a casino this right these spaces are the Gateway the port whatever you want to call it but everything that we've just discussed is around these things Defcon pagota funding the commons when I used to do shelling point you see that like oh yes this is great this is actually much much much higher than financial incentive how can I get rich quick but we do have that aspect to it how do we make sure that the Beautiful Soul stuff does not get hijacked overshadowed over whatever by this financial incentive aspect of it because again we have seen a lot of waves of people who come in for that very specific motivation and that's totally fine that's what thing that is part of the multifaceted ways that we also want to grow as humans like the financial is a reality but not the reality of scarcity of extraction of all of this how how I would quickly say I think we need definitely need a more use cases really show people what's possible and they can still actually be feel safe financi by doing the work that they needs to be doing and I'm I'm not talking about we we cannot actually completely ignore the financial piece right we have to find a way that we can actually find peace for that and the the peace the breach is not about one or the other it's like how can this be Blended really well the blending experience that needs to be exper experimented more in the space cuz right now it's so divided you either Vision person or you are like money person and and I don't think they are in initially different they all looking for the same thing which is like the happiness and freedom and all that and I think there is a way that we can weave that thing but we don't we cannot just speak them oh no that's not true and then so so is the other way we have to show them what's possible and I think we are not having enough experiment or use cases of showing that bridge gapping so that's you remember yesterday though um it was um kind of my favorite statement someone named the room we were in um said uh it's not there people say there are no use cases that's not true there are use cases we're not really providing ways to find them right um and then I I was having this like a breakfast conversation with our next perum fellows this morning one of the fellows um Karam he's from Syria you know he's been um working on doing research on how to how to use this this technology to help people in the same situation he grew up in Syria uh was in a jail for a while because he was trying to go against the government and in that conversation somehow this um next F fellow conversation small room right like we normally have people who are already kind of in the same type of you know who are aware of these things but some one person somehow um well I didn't know until he told me this morning this guy was actually just uh somehow like like just working on this meme coin person and somehow I don't think it's accidentally because you have to know you know you have to choose the room so at least he came right and then he was in this almost like one of the most intense conversations and it opened his eyes oh my gosh I've been I just now I just realize that I've been working on this you know random stuff like meaningless thing but until he because if he was surrounded by all like you're right right all meme coins he just would think that's that's the word that I mean but that was that awareness was was when I heard that this morning oh wow you just Open the Eyes of someone who was wee someone else um so I think we need to create more of that opportunities and you can have one guy talking about one guy from Sera and then everyone else is are from meme coins that then you can't really that ratio is is you know is important so how do we create that so I from our perspective from the Devon team's pers perspective we are we are trying to design that in the way that how do we make more of that conversation happen right at least like okay you're not you can't really talk in Devcon you can't really talk about the place I don't know if everyone is following but but that's that's that's kind of like but in the way that um I think also the beauty of e is we never or F like we can kick someone out we're not we don't we shouldn't right like if we think like oh that guy is definitely working on something wrong I'm not going to say hey you're not part of e just go away it's it's I think that that this this is the community we also are open to have conversation with anyone and then give them opportunity to learn or wake up and uh as long as they're willing to if and then if they don't have um curiosity to learn and then they will naturally go away unfortunately we can we we don't have PL uh energy to educate every single person in the world but our priority is starting with curiosity CU curious one um but how we make them curious so that's we need the intention we need the design um I always push the team I don't like quick and easy solution idea like we need to work for even if something looks very funny and goofy but we we we like what's the intention what's the intention like we yeah so that's um we yeah but then again like the challenge is like you said it's it's it's it's growing and also we have this philosophy of subtraction yeah um and then having that philosophy at the same time like I said in the opening that doesn't mean we do L we we invite others to share values together that's that has to be three way but it's definitely harder way than us telling hey this is what what you should do and you go out you you can come in you go out but if we do that eim would lose lose that that core Soul too so we are going to always have to choose the harder way so versus like not dictate no invite with higher in even someone like we feel like oh that's like that's out of our culture right so we need the tolerance but at the same time it's not like just being quiet doing nothing yeah yeah okay um I kind of want to open it up to some questions who has thoughts or not even questions any thoughts oh live yeah do we have a microphone just to have floating no okay let's share so act thank you there was a security problem disclosed in20 standard in 17 the eum foundation finalized the standard knowing that there is a security issue reported no process for disclosing security problems in eips is implemented in ethereum today 10 years after its main net release in 2023 Fabian Vil the creator of rc20 standard who is no longer working for etherum foundation confirmed that the design of erc20 contains a security problem classified as the impossibility of handling transfer errors this issue is still not fixed and not announced by ethereum Foundation as a result users lost5 millions of dollars worth of ec20 tokens since 2017 do you think that this is a reasonable price that we ethereum users need to pay for ethereum not having a process for dealing with security disclosures in eips 10 years after its finet release that yes it isn't that was a very Stern delivery I kind of missed half of that question personally um I couldn't I appreciate you having that on video and you clearly want to make a statement um I think again it may not be relevant for this panel um I would love to hear culture based yes can I speak sure um maybe they won't hear it for the camera that's why okay um so great panel thank you for sharing your thoughts I have been thinking a lot about um as we're trying to cultivate something how do we also answer the hard questions people have for us how do we also like confront um perception and not be afraid to go to the hard places and I think that there's you know as I've experienced my first conference like there's a tendency to keep it light not saying this panel but tendency to keep it light and not really be like how are we like actually contending with the fact that people think this is a scam or the fact that people hate us how can we take people to the hot conversation to be honest I think conference like this is extremely hard place to take people go deep uh maybe you can find like a like a smaller corner and intentionally um bringing people together to solve it I think intention is really the half of the conversation in my opinion um I would love to know what the hard conversation you might think maybe we can chat after this uh but also one thing that we can do in the etherum community is like really um uh understanding how to create a safe space and how to create a space for the deeper and hot conversation uh I think we can do it yeah and quickly to your point I think um this is one of the things that um like you said with uh people hating crypto and so on and so on that does take a allll um having again being in this ecosystem and maintaining that energy to continue building whilst people are like nope still not convinced still a scam still like it's draining it's very very draining and I think a lot of people who maybe were around in the beginning and did put a lot of energy and a lot of effort there's a lot of people who have like taken a step back or left or just to recuperate and like get back to a you know a nervous system regulated nervous system Dynamic and that opens up a whole different conversation but it's exhausting and I think to your point and having these conversations where it is a safe space to kind of support each other through that because a lot of us are having those experiences yet we don't necessarily share that to your point keeping it you know we see each other for a short period of time and we want to keep it light because it's great to see each other right and so but having those safe spaces for that is is definitely important yes thank you I think is it is it yes um so I've been traveling with my partner for the past two or three years um my first defcom was in Mota and I realized that a lot of the energy is very much directed up here what you guys also mentioned um how do you think um that someone's personal well-being directly reflects to what we are building building in the ecosystem I'm here um working with different pop-up cities and running Wellness track so really opening this more intimate spaces through ceremony through rituals to deepen and like kind of weave in the culture but I I'm looking at it from an outside but also stepping in now in terms of like okay we're creating decentralized governance different Dows different protocols um popup cities these conference and a whole currency how can we also in a way rewrite the way that we operate around the work culture and I believe that the IQ is there um we know what we have to do but how can we fully embody it in order for the energy to fully flow and for our outcome or because I'm seeing people are building amazing things with the energy up here being in fight ORF flight with a very deregulated nervous system so how can we a way rewrite or like move the culture a little bit more towards well-being and see what the results of that is and how can we measure it yep okay this is like my favorite subject um I have this tweet that I tweeted last year which is you know what's going to get us from web 2 to web 3 is therapy and I speak from personal experience um I burnt myself out at the end of 2022 I in Bogata at Devcon I had just finished shelling Point um it was incredibly stressful and somebody at Devcon came up to me and it's like Simona what are you excited about in 2023 and I went nothing so the poor person just like slowly stepped away lest I harm them um and that I was like oh this is not good at all and so then I had to quit pretty much everything that I was doing and really go into therapy and go damn I think I think I'm addicted to stress okay where does that come from okay maybe I need to have some naps maybe I need to like again make sure that I operate from a regulated nervous system because if you are in a stress constant stress you're not going to make the best decisions you're going to burn yourself out and you're going to really let's say limit your ability to participate in this and actually tap into those higher values and higher intentions that we keep talking about cuz if you're in stress mode you're only going to think of your base needs and so with that in mind I I have this um thing that I've been talking about where we potentially have a human protocol running alongside the technical ones right where the focus is on the humans where we have boundaries in place in terms of work hours like your the Project Lead does not message you at 1:00 a.m. even though it's a fully International time zone own non-existent kind of or fluid environment or ecosystem and how do we Implement those at Baseline level so that we can grow and um we can grow that capacity and teach people there's a lot of people who have no idea about how to regulate their nervous system like that's just a thing that needs to be implemented in the way we build things the same way we build smart contract building the and and taking care of those humans building those smart contracts so I have many thoughts on this I'm going to hopefully try to implement some of them hopefully with people who are into implementing those things at a protocol level and then let's see but yeah so so important quickly um so since I was like found that human layer is missing I've been trying to create a uh experience that changed energy from the head to heart and body uh since 2018 and I've been doing a lot of experiment I would love to share and I think now ethereum space and especially also developers um I recently run a very small circle for the core deps and like really touching their heart and they really open up and that they're like this was amazing so I think experience is what's needed it's not a word it's not a rule so they have to experience it unfortunately we only few people can have a access to the experiences and I was going to suggest like a and then other friends maybe Shimona we should work together to uh bring more people who are really interested in human design and then the facilitators who can actually host those conversations host those spaces and I think that's another Workforce that we needed in ether EOS system to actually cultivate that I think maybe hello yeah I have to move the back because I'm very cool there because of the air okay so there are two questions uh that I want to ask first is more personal and second one is more professional one so along the way of you know perserving values and culture in web tree Community what are the things that you have relearned and unlearned so that's the first question and second thing the second question is what will be your main advice to builder in sh country like barmer because I'm from bummer who want to create a web three culture and also uh educate about blockchain initiative and build public goods using the ethera so that's it two questions I really like your first question um and I'm in the beginning of that process of figuring out what I have to unlearn and uh what I've had to learn we were talking about permissionless behaviors earlier I was acting that way in the corporate world but now because I trusted the other humans I was working with um just because I had a vision and I was executing and I was being rewarded for it um which is not a um regenerative way of Behaving now that I am in this space I'm being challenged to um question that and to uh find trust first you know a little bit like the uh innocent until proven guilty uh idea uh so first I have to trust and then we can workshop together on on something um and that's been the really on the day-to-day working with my team working with cross functional Partners working with vendors uh really realizing that um this ecosystem was asking me to look at that um and that's been very interesting from a personal development uh perspective where did you say you were from from BMA BMA Yar yeah Yar um you are from the place that um you know strongly no not from you know like civil wall Hab Z but in Central City Central City like Yangon M so only in the at the place they are stable so we can build and build that kind of community and speace so from that I want to scale it up to you know yeah yeah yeah thank you thank you for clarifying um there's like a strong you know that the long history of deep shared value culture there but also that the challenge that country is facing also have there is opportunities for people toearn this right and then I hope like that's also was some driving for for you to be interested in this right um and I think that type of place like people are definitely you there are a lot of curious people should be there um I've met those people from there too so I think uh I don't know um I was in Bhutan the other day and then because there's a strong like respect or uh polite people who are there and then they don't not like a proactive to they're not really so used to hey let's have this meet up and open conversation right like they wait for someone to be the leader and then hey everyone type of thing right um but so there's a little bit of learning that needs to happen there but if you you can be it's instead of you like I'm going to create I'm the leader it's more like I'm going to have create a space if anyone is interested in learning together with with me and if anyone can actually be part of like teaching others if and so creating a space actually alone helps a lot and often if you uh set a meet up like this is how actually a lot of communities started to happen originally is oh wow I did not know there are so many people who are interested in this so like just you don't need this big event like you just need it can be just a cafe or a small space you suggest getting together and it will happen especially if you are in that that place I'm pretty sure you can find allies and happy to connect you with other Burmese friends who are here oh yeah yeah yeah that would be great okay so this is a not I'm going say it's a silly question I mean it's a serious question but I'm presenting it in a very playful manner so you know take it take with it what you will to what extent do you think that as the community grows there's a opportunity or a value to have more of a structured more of a structure for initiation ritual and you know I think that my my friends at medo my buddy Seth and I talk about this a lot there you know there there are these examples of these distributed organizations where the I the the the the concepts are are sort of centrally developed but the implementation is distributed the examples that we think of are the scouts and also to an extent AA these examples of these really amazing organizations that are really implemented by by people everywhere but there's a central concept um and to what extent would something like that be valuable in a in a setting like this you know going beyond the kind of Vibes and super permissionless and like conferences a shelling Point structure that seems to be in place now something a bit more structured like that I think um this just brings up um for me again like all of these spaces for initiation it brings up kernel for me the kernel program that's um it is in my view it's uh that type of initiation where it goes like for six weeks uh you participate in it with others from all over the world and then you go into these learnings about again the philosophy of it the values of it and so on and then it does dip into if you want to start building something or you find somebody within the program and you start building something then that can also tap into mentorship and so on I'm speaking um having been a mentor in that like first first um few um kernel blocks and I think something like that and developing something like that that you can take it around and have this curriculum that you get people to gravitate towards is this alternative to the physical space pH physical event travel to and so on because again most of it is online and then it does fold into um Gatherings IRL when some of these events happen and so on but that would be a good model as a suggestion for a structured thing that you don't necessarily have to travel to or make all of that effort I think making Playbook of holding those rituals in the your Regional Hub I think is really can be one thing you cannot fly internationally and I think there is already things happening and it's not really obvious because it's a very small spaces that are very curated and for particular purposes but it's there I think it's moving really really fast and then we were going to see way more in the future but like yeah let's ideate more on that yeah I think the time yeah I have a I have a feeling these people are asking questions probably they already for someone like Daniel you probably have an idea too so maybe uh like like we need more people to actually discuss more and then suggest things together with okay when part two part when's part two of this conversation with everybody who's here schedule it let's schedule it 15 minutes 15 minutes yeah um bio break and then we're back okay um thank you everybody so much we will try to make these like a more open thing and maybe bigger space and maybe more like minent on the agenda what you think I yeah I think so um okay thank you everybody for coming um any yeah